The Egyptian Revolution

With at least 1.5 billion in support from the US last year for Mubarak and his hated ‘security forces’ in Egypt, you’ve gotta love this revolution. Details, as usual, at the reliable Lenin’s Tomb.

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38 thoughts on “The Egyptian Revolution

  1. Humans who shine no light like God does does not think like God does,and God does not concern himself with the physical as we know it.Infinity is beyond this finite life,and I do not want humans throwing it away holding bitterness ,and hatred in them. This will eat away at whoever,and cause humans to do things that are not heavenly,and as a result keep them out of the heavenly home.That is where we belong. The one who love will be there.
    Whatever military is not a good thing. I would be happy if all the military armies of the world were scraped, and save their soul for thing that is infinitely better.

  2. I’m all for the ‘right’ revolution’ … “To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.”
    Mikhail Bakunin
    Unfortunately the new isn’t always better. Works for wineskins but not always regimes. Oh let us all blindly defend the ‘right to protest’ but know a little history and ideology too. Oppressive regimes are often replaced with … oppressive regimes. I can well imagine the Muslim Brotherhood rubbing their hands with glee as the fan the flames with bellows and fill the ink wells ready to sign up new recruits. I have no optimistic fantasy of a good outcome for this bloodiest of revolutions.
    For a little history, how’s this:
    http://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/riddling-the-sphinx-egypt-2011/

    1. Revolutions have a tendency to run into the mud and this one is probably no different. But the moment of getting thoroughly sick of a corrupt operator, getting out on the streets and venting frustration and anger, is worth it. Catch is, of course, that all sorts of interested parties want to ‘steer’ events in the ‘right’ direction.

      1. so what? support a whole rabble of desperate people in their ‘right to protest’ (and get killed) knowing it will end in disaster? It would help if things were a little more constructive. The only successful revolution I can recall is the ANC and there is probably a reason for that too. But in Egypt, desperation becomes confusion and the shakers and movers and fanners of the fire in this affair, the Muslim Brotherhood, will sweep up the losers and stain their thumbs with ink. As the angry young Muslims suffering from appalling prejudice and separate living (especially America but England too) seek validation for their identity, they become potential recruits for ‘organisations’. Lucky MB eh. Lucky Egypt? Lucky us too. Another oppressive regime.

      1. Jesus hardly revolted. He was more Jewish than the Jews. The idea he revolted is a liberal myth and is not supported by the earliest gospel sources.

    2. Oh, how I yearn for the day when Africa was most properly governed by learned gentlemen from Oxford Divinity schools. Bouquets to you, Dr. R. Joseph Hoffman, bouquets to you, most commendable sir.

  3. Why Thank you, Jimmy Carter for being one of the worst presidents of all time. SMH in high school, I will have to admit, i would go around saying he was my fave prez. And people used to give me the funniest and most quizzical looks. Now, today, I know why. Just look at Egypt.

    1. Humans go after humans,and Satan in humans does that. Don’t blame the prince of peace for human blunders. To even have an accusation again God is evidence of the accuser in you,and all know who that is.You should be able to tell me,right?

    2. The worm consumes food even as we consume life. Don’t make yourself better than a worm for in Gods eyes they are the same. Satan revolted in heaven,and look what it is going to get him, Can you tell me?

    3. Jimmy Carter is giving of himself to built homes for humans that need it. The problem with humans is that they are willing to complain about others, but not see that their judging is condemning their body that is already condemned to death.The soul can be saved by not condemning others,but humans as stupid as a beast can’t seem to figure that. out.

  4. Steph, as Lenin showed very well (and as Engels argued), a successful revolution needs a well-trained army, or rather militia, to deal with counter-revolutionary forces (the ‘white army’). All too often, revoutionary moments get waylaid, taken over, redirected, but that is not a reason to give up on revolutions as such. One of the great things about the 20th century was that it was a century of revolutions. A shitload of them went sour, but some worked and they express a profound disatisfaction with the status quo. Maybe Trotsky’s permanent revolution ain’t such a bad idea after all.

  5. I wish instead of rubbishing any historical basis for Jesus on the basis of crap from Robert Price to the Jesus Seminar to the Wright Blitheringites, high and mighty skepticism would take a serious first hand read of some proper unamerican critical scholarship eg Crossley and Casey, on the historical Jesus. I’m so fucked off with fucking ‘scholarship’ I just don’t see the point in going on anymore. There is so much bias and prejudice and plain already made up minds. You’ll never read Casey for example, and yours is one of the few minds in this discipline I honestly respect. So what’s the point anymore in me bothering when nobody decent even cares.

    Which ones were successful, apart from Sth Africa?

    1. Again,

      I did not claim Jesus was a revolutionary. Nor do I. If you see in my comment I have only said that he has inspired revolutions throughout history. There is a difference in being an inspiration for revolutions and being a revolutionary.

      Asides apart from South Africa, well there is the Civil Rights Movement in the US in the 1950s; the idea that racism was bad became quite popular. And it was a black church movement to boot. Speaking of black church, there was also the abolitionist movement and slave revolts. Yes, many failed on American shores, but many of the abolitionists were Christians (both black and white) who were forced to use a proto-liberationist hermeneutic to argue against slavery. As J Kameron Carter pointed out in Race: A Theological account, Gregory of Nyssa I believe was one of the first Christians to argue against slavery as a social norm.

      Lastly, the progressive populist movement in the late 19th century/early 20th centuries with the farmers and workers of the US was more like a revival movement, led by none other than William Jennings Bryan himself. A number of constitutional and economic reforms came about as a result. All inspired by the gospel accounts of Christ.

      1. Christ wants us to be one in love seeking peace on earth,and that peace on earth is prepare us to live in heaven,and revolutions do not prepare us for heaven. can you see that?

        None of those revolutions were From the heart of Christ,and it is blasphemous statement to say Jesus had any part in the spilling of blood. none will be split in heaven,and God does not change so how could God be behind any of the spilled blood in the past. That means you are in error to think God was influential in any if the revolutions or war in the past.That also means humans knew not God as a result misinterpreted scripture too. I see this over, and over again. The mentality against God is the same mentality as the rebellious Satan.I would for your salvation sake cast your negitive way of thinking far away from you. Do you think that is a good idea?

      2. Christ wants us to be one in love seeking peace on earth,and that peace on earth prepares us to live in heaven,and revolutions do not prepare us for heaven. can you see that?

        None of those revolutions were From the heart of Christ,and it is blasphemous statement to say Jesus had any part in the spilling of blood. none will be split in heaven,and God does not change so how could God be behind any of the spilled blood in the past. That means you are in error to think God was influential in any if the revolutions or war in the past.That also means humans knew not God as a result misinterpreted scripture too. I see this over, and over again. The mentality against God is the same mentality as the rebellious Satan.I would for your salvation sake cast your negitive way of thinking far away from you. Do you think that is a good idea?

      3. wtf? I wasn’t talking to you at all. I was responding to that arty white fox who suggested the idea that he was a revolutionary. It’s not about you, don’t get so defensive.

      4. Actually Rod I haven’t any idea who you were talking to with this flipping comment thread, but I wasn’t talking to you anyway, just Roland and that foxy gnostic white art. And have no idea who you are except that you have a blog. And I don’t read blogs. Roland, Deane, Joe and Jim don’t count as blogs. They’re people I know whose stuff I read…

    2. I wouldn’t call South Africa’s transition from political apartheid to economic apartheid a ‘revolution’. The ANC created a bourgeoisie from its own ranks who, of course, stopped fighting for equality.

      1. naturally but the government was overturned. Anyway I never said I didn’t support the Egyptian protestors or the revolution. :p

        I am more pissed off with Roland for being a decent theologian yet rubbishing historical views on prior conclusions. :p

  6. Steph: You are wise, and full of truth.Correct, Jesus never revolted about anything. Jesus was looking to better things, trying to point humans to better things that are not of this corruptible world. Steph,you see with the eyes of God like everyone should.

  7. @Jonathan,

    I would read some history if I were you before I would go around being worried about my ‘salvation.’ If you do not think that the Civil Rights Movement was inspired by Christ, that is your opinion.

    I do, that’s what matters.

    1. Civet rights, you want to talk about civil rights when persecution of humans takes place,like the zoosexual who does not shed blood, and only spills semen,and the gay is the same,and nudists are as naked as a dog but are treated worse than a dog,and dogs are altered and humans under your civil code would approve of that.I don’t see Jesus approving of that, do you?
      With your civil code natural things like nudity is abhorred called obscene,and indecent with humans being tackled like an unwilling rugby player who is only as naked as a horse or whatever natural thing in nature. Humans kill all life in every way conceivable calling it good. Humans are deceptively wicked, who can know it. Humans who are condemned to death because of sin are judging humans with your so called civil rights. it is a false god just like Baal, and sacrifices in war,and death penalty being done as I type to you. In Gods kingdom there will not be the likes of humans bowing to the false god of this civil rights shedding blood for anything. Jesus wants us top love all,and to love all having Gods law of love in your inward parts will not war about anything.That is because Gods kingdom is not of this world, Do you hear me?

    1. Brother Artie seems to have asexually reproduced himself, spawning Jonathan Hughes, just as the Sheriff of Nottingham John Milbank gave us Alasdair Maclagan. I will be praying for this blog…

      1. I think it’s just another pillockbank alias. Releasing all those mystically convoluted sexually frustrations.

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